1 00:00:37,010 --> 00:00:22,830 [Music] 2 00:00:41,700 --> 00:00:39,330 hello this is Nick Pope and you're 3 00:00:44,610 --> 00:00:41,710 listening to a paranormal UK radio 4 00:00:46,619 --> 00:00:44,620 network the UK's biggest paranormal 5 00:00:50,790 --> 00:00:46,629 Network and this is paranormal 6 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:50,800 dimensions with David Young hello and 7 00:00:56,759 --> 00:00:54,850 thank you for joining okay well we've 8 00:00:59,759 --> 00:00:56,769 had a very sad loss recently at a 9 00:01:01,290 --> 00:00:59,769 ufology world obviously everyone will 10 00:01:05,940 --> 00:01:01,300 know that we lost Stanton Friedman 11 00:01:08,219 --> 00:01:05,950 suddenly just a short time ago and I've 12 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:08,229 got a very lovely lady Kathy Martin 13 00:01:15,779 --> 00:01:11,050 there was a I would say a close friend 14 00:01:16,980 --> 00:01:15,789 of Stan's and obviously what more than 15 00:01:20,730 --> 00:01:16,990 just a coach for a lot of working 16 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:20,740 working relationship - just before I do 17 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:23,130 that I'll just do my normal calls out so 18 00:01:28,950 --> 00:01:26,050 this is for Sascha Christie of Liverpool 19 00:01:32,700 --> 00:01:28,960 it was my first guest on this show and 20 00:01:35,910 --> 00:01:32,710 Phil mentor Pontefract UK and Donald 21 00:01:39,270 --> 00:01:35,920 Schmitt who I hope to have as a guest on 22 00:01:41,870 --> 00:01:39,280 the next show again Stanton Friedman 23 00:01:44,309 --> 00:01:41,880 kind of special as far as we can call it 24 00:01:46,620 --> 00:01:44,319 but now I'd like to introduce Sir 25 00:01:50,359 --> 00:01:46,630 Kathleen Mardan I mean everyone should 26 00:01:56,580 --> 00:01:54,180 thank you very much and thank you so 27 00:01:59,430 --> 00:01:56,590 much for making time to come on the show 28 00:02:01,770 --> 00:01:59,440 and and I'd like to say at this moment 29 00:02:05,070 --> 00:02:01,780 and what's the secret does he though 30 00:02:07,469 --> 00:02:05,080 Stan was very close to you and it's all 31 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:07,479 very sad at certain and everything and I 32 00:02:12,030 --> 00:02:09,250 don't really know where to start with 33 00:02:16,670 --> 00:02:12,040 you I suppose where did you first hear 34 00:02:21,180 --> 00:02:16,680 the news about then unfortunately the 35 00:02:25,309 --> 00:02:21,190 information was was put out to the UFO 36 00:02:27,930 --> 00:02:25,319 media before his family was able to 37 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:27,940 contact the relatives in the United 38 00:02:33,750 --> 00:02:31,510 States and me so I received a couple of 39 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:33,760 phone calls wondering if it was true I 40 00:02:41,580 --> 00:02:38,530 said I don't think so because I would 41 00:02:45,590 --> 00:02:41,590 have been notified and so you know there 42 00:02:50,090 --> 00:02:45,600 are so many hoaxes of people's truth 43 00:02:53,210 --> 00:02:50,100 they haven't actually occurred so I I 44 00:02:56,510 --> 00:02:53,220 ended up sending a message to Stanton's 45 00:02:59,420 --> 00:02:56,520 daughter and she said you know it sadly 46 00:03:04,610 --> 00:02:59,430 it is true I was the next one on her 47 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:04,620 list to call and we had lost Stanton the 48 00:03:15,590 --> 00:03:11,130 night before he had died at the Toronto 49 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:15,600 Pearson Airport while he was waiting for 50 00:03:22,100 --> 00:03:18,000 a return flight home 51 00:03:26,810 --> 00:03:22,110 he'd been in Cleveland Ohio or Columbus 52 00:03:31,070 --> 00:03:26,820 Ohio for the weekend to be interviewed 53 00:03:34,430 --> 00:03:31,080 in front of an audience and I knew that 54 00:03:36,260 --> 00:03:34,440 he was very tired he had told me we 55 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:36,270 talked on the phone at least once a week 56 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:38,730 he had told me he was feeling very tired 57 00:03:47,060 --> 00:03:44,250 and old and but he still wanted to plug 58 00:03:51,020 --> 00:03:47,070 on he really loved working in the UFO 59 00:03:54,290 --> 00:03:51,030 field particularly in lecturing and 60 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:54,300 doing interviews and we had planned to 61 00:04:01,010 --> 00:03:57,090 work together again in Roswell New 62 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:01,020 Mexico in July at the MUFON 63 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:03,570 international symposium at the end of 64 00:04:08,660 --> 00:04:06,210 July that's in Irvine California and 65 00:04:11,690 --> 00:04:08,670 then again at the International UFO 66 00:04:19,340 --> 00:04:11,700 Congress conference in Phoenix Arizona 67 00:04:22,310 --> 00:04:19,350 in early September and he obviously I 68 00:04:26,330 --> 00:04:22,320 will not be working with Stan again it 69 00:04:29,780 --> 00:04:26,340 is very sad he was a wonderful person a 70 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:29,790 brilliant man a visionary with a 71 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:32,730 brilliant mind but he was also the 72 00:04:40,190 --> 00:04:35,730 people's ufologist he didn't place 73 00:04:46,450 --> 00:04:40,200 himself up on a pedestal he was down in 74 00:04:49,430 --> 00:04:46,460 the trenches on equal status with 75 00:04:52,580 --> 00:04:49,440 everyone else that's the way his mind 76 00:04:54,610 --> 00:04:52,590 worked he always said to me if I started 77 00:04:57,980 --> 00:04:54,620 to use words with too many syllables 78 00:04:58,830 --> 00:04:57,990 don't talk that way people won't 79 00:05:01,409 --> 00:04:58,840 understand 80 00:05:04,110 --> 00:05:01,419 and you you need to speak with the 81 00:05:08,370 --> 00:05:04,120 public he was a perfect gentleman 82 00:05:10,980 --> 00:05:08,380 a comedian he made everyone laugh and 83 00:05:16,439 --> 00:05:10,990 every time he gave a presentation or did 84 00:05:22,379 --> 00:05:16,449 a radio show kind generous loving he'll 85 00:05:24,719 --> 00:05:22,389 be sadly missed in the UFO an icon is 86 00:05:27,750 --> 00:05:24,729 the need of the ethology world I mean I 87 00:05:28,860 --> 00:05:27,760 was I actually met him for I spoke to 88 00:05:31,860 --> 00:05:28,870 him for about three or four minutes 89 00:05:33,510 --> 00:05:31,870 obviously nothing like you have but for 90 00:05:35,850 --> 00:05:33,520 that three or four minutes see you know 91 00:05:37,590 --> 00:05:35,860 that he had your yeah he took your 92 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:37,600 attention and he would listen to what 93 00:05:40,230 --> 00:05:39,010 you were saying he wasn't sort of eyes 94 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:40,240 everywhere and everything he was 95 00:05:43,980 --> 00:05:41,410 listening to what you were saying 96 00:05:46,260 --> 00:05:43,990 and that sort of three or four minutes 97 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:46,270 was very precious to me you know it's I 98 00:05:51,930 --> 00:05:48,910 think I think he's I saw him give that 99 00:05:54,330 --> 00:05:51,940 sort of time to everyone who kind of 100 00:05:56,909 --> 00:05:54,340 asked him to spare him a few minutes you 101 00:05:57,450 --> 00:05:56,919 know he's I think it was a gentleman of 102 00:06:00,210 --> 00:05:57,460 ufology 103 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:00,220 I know you I'm sure he had some 104 00:06:05,100 --> 00:06:02,650 arguments with people certain things 105 00:06:07,980 --> 00:06:05,110 we've seen a few things but in all you 106 00:06:11,300 --> 00:06:07,990 know well he was a gentleman he was gone 107 00:06:14,460 --> 00:06:11,310 the debunkers the actually the dis 108 00:06:18,779 --> 00:06:14,470 informants the individuals who would 109 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:18,789 hurt people in order to promote an 110 00:06:26,070 --> 00:06:21,970 agenda or a certain set of false ideas 111 00:06:30,089 --> 00:06:26,080 and and he took them on he Stanton was a 112 00:06:35,250 --> 00:06:30,099 very honest person very upright and he 113 00:06:38,790 --> 00:06:35,260 was willing to call them out for their 114 00:06:40,110 --> 00:06:38,800 false information yeah and he was late 115 00:06:44,820 --> 00:06:40,120 effects out wouldn't they yeah I know 116 00:06:47,550 --> 00:06:44,830 yeah I like the mj-12 documents were 117 00:06:50,730 --> 00:06:47,560 quite very interesting but he yeah a few 118 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:50,740 arguments about didn't he he yes and you 119 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:54,610 know he he did examine the mj-12 120 00:07:00,960 --> 00:06:57,970 documents he wrote the book top-secret 121 00:07:04,230 --> 00:07:00,970 magic about his work on those documents 122 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:04,240 but then after that many many more 123 00:07:10,709 --> 00:07:06,370 documents were released to the public 124 00:07:11,580 --> 00:07:10,719 and at least some of those were just 125 00:07:14,130 --> 00:07:11,590 fictitious 126 00:07:17,430 --> 00:07:14,140 and there was no evidence that they were 127 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:17,440 real and so he always was a person who 128 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:20,890 would separate fact from fiction if it 129 00:07:28,140 --> 00:07:24,490 was a phony document he knew it was a 130 00:07:32,300 --> 00:07:28,150 phony document and and you know went up 131 00:07:36,690 --> 00:07:32,310 so many a put out it's impossible to 132 00:07:38,700 --> 00:07:36,700 systematically research every single one 133 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:38,710 of them yeah 134 00:07:41,850 --> 00:07:39,850 do you think that could have been done 135 00:07:44,250 --> 00:07:41,860 on purpose to like hide the real ones 136 00:07:47,390 --> 00:07:44,260 yeah in amongst a jungle of paperwork 137 00:07:51,390 --> 00:07:47,400 yes I do believe that that occurred 138 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:51,400 absolutely yeah 139 00:07:55,830 --> 00:07:53,650 I mean I don't really what it's well 140 00:07:58,950 --> 00:07:55,840 under I think bill to celebrate Sam 141 00:08:01,350 --> 00:07:58,960 Stenson now because obviously he's gonna 142 00:08:03,210 --> 00:08:01,360 be sadly missed but do you know what is 143 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:03,220 these funerals he hasn't taken place yes 144 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:07,450 it has his visiting hours were on Friday 145 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:10,450 and his funeral was on Saturday a very 146 00:08:17,310 --> 00:08:14,610 small family funeral his family liked 147 00:08:27,660 --> 00:08:17,320 privacy they were very thin private 148 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:27,670 people stop you're working collaboration 149 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:29,170 with Stan's I know you vote to put with 150 00:08:35,370 --> 00:08:32,770 it captured in 2007 was that kind of the 151 00:08:36,570 --> 00:08:35,380 start of your working relationship well 152 00:08:39,690 --> 00:08:36,580 no you probably knew him 153 00:08:43,380 --> 00:08:39,700 I knew him way before that through my 154 00:08:49,170 --> 00:08:43,390 Aunt Betty Hill whose starmap he 155 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:49,180 defended and I had written a quite an 156 00:08:54,390 --> 00:08:51,490 extensive manuscript on a book that I 157 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:54,400 was writing that included my aunt's 158 00:09:03,150 --> 00:08:58,090 biography information on my uncle Barney 159 00:09:06,030 --> 00:09:03,160 Hill and their story that had not been 160 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:06,040 told in the early book that was 161 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:09,370 published that was published in 1966 and 162 00:09:16,830 --> 00:09:11,890 most of the investigation took place 163 00:09:20,750 --> 00:09:16,840 after 1966 the the physical evidence the 164 00:09:25,020 --> 00:09:20,760 circumstantial evidence and I was at the 165 00:09:29,250 --> 00:09:25,030 mutual UFO network s-- international sim 166 00:09:34,530 --> 00:09:29,260 suppose iam in Denver Colorado I was not 167 00:09:37,140 --> 00:09:34,540 speaking that year but I went primarily 168 00:09:40,950 --> 00:09:37,150 because Stanton was speaking and I was a 169 00:09:44,610 --> 00:09:40,960 big fan of his and during that day I 170 00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:44,620 wanted to approach him and talk to him 171 00:09:51,090 --> 00:09:47,710 about the manuscript and I was also am 172 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:51,100 the executor to the Hills estate so I 173 00:09:58,320 --> 00:09:55,650 was and trustee so I had all of their 174 00:10:01,830 --> 00:09:58,330 archival collection and I was preparing 175 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:01,840 it for the University of New Hampshire 176 00:10:07,590 --> 00:10:05,890 my Aunt Betty and I both graduated from 177 00:10:12,150 --> 00:10:07,600 the University of New Hampshire 178 00:10:14,580 --> 00:10:12,160 I went by Stanton's vendor table a few 179 00:10:18,390 --> 00:10:14,590 times that day wanting to speak to him 180 00:10:21,270 --> 00:10:18,400 about my work and he was always busy 181 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:21,280 there was a huge crowd men surrounding 182 00:10:28,260 --> 00:10:25,330 him and and he was talking and so I 183 00:10:32,550 --> 00:10:28,270 would walk by and and I nearly gave up 184 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:32,560 but at the end of the day I thought I 185 00:10:39,060 --> 00:10:35,770 would make one last attempt to speak 186 00:10:42,390 --> 00:10:39,070 with him I walked by his vendor table 187 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:42,400 and he was just packing the leftover 188 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:46,330 books up to be shipped back to his home 189 00:10:54,420 --> 00:10:49,690 in New Brunswick Canada and I spoke with 190 00:10:56,730 --> 00:10:54,430 him and he said well why don't you join 191 00:10:59,010 --> 00:10:56,740 me for dinner so we went to the dining 192 00:11:01,550 --> 00:10:59,020 room and we sat down we had a dinner 193 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:01,560 together and at the end of our 194 00:11:07,740 --> 00:11:04,050 conversation he told me that he was very 195 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:07,750 interested in my work and wanted to 196 00:11:14,490 --> 00:11:12,010 arrange to drive from his house to my 197 00:11:17,010 --> 00:11:14,500 home in New Hampshire I live in Florida 198 00:11:22,410 --> 00:11:17,020 now but I lived in New Hampshire then 199 00:11:25,620 --> 00:11:22,420 and so we arranged for him to visit my 200 00:11:29,430 --> 00:11:25,630 husband and I and he stayed for a few 201 00:11:32,490 --> 00:11:29,440 days he reviewed all of my files read my 202 00:11:35,730 --> 00:11:32,500 manuscript and at the end of this 203 00:11:37,770 --> 00:11:35,740 reading he told me that he was impressed 204 00:11:39,900 --> 00:11:37,780 with what I had written 205 00:11:42,110 --> 00:11:39,910 that he would be happy to join me 206 00:11:46,940 --> 00:11:42,120 because I was being scientific and 207 00:11:49,980 --> 00:11:46,950 unbiased so that was the beginning I 208 00:11:52,890 --> 00:11:49,990 wanted him to write more of the book 209 00:11:57,510 --> 00:11:52,900 that he had time for he had time to 210 00:12:01,680 --> 00:11:57,520 write the beginning of the book the the 211 00:12:04,770 --> 00:12:01,690 foreword and he also had time to write 212 00:12:07,530 --> 00:12:04,780 two chapters in the book on his 213 00:12:11,490 --> 00:12:07,540 involvement in the starmap investigation 214 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:11,500 and his arguments against the debunkers 215 00:12:19,890 --> 00:12:14,890 so that was his contribution we worked 216 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:19,900 so well together traveling at working at 217 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:23,010 a vendor table together sometimes even 218 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:25,330 lecturing on the Betty and Barney Hill 219 00:12:33,750 --> 00:12:29,770 UFO experience together sometimes I did 220 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:33,760 it without him but we developed a great 221 00:12:39,210 --> 00:12:36,370 friendship and we went on to write two 222 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:39,220 more books together science was wrong 223 00:12:46,050 --> 00:12:43,570 and fact fiction and flying saucers so 224 00:12:49,950 --> 00:12:46,060 it was I thought that we achieved a lot 225 00:12:54,180 --> 00:12:49,960 he did as well and we had a very happy 226 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:54,190 working relationship I'm sure you did I 227 00:13:00,510 --> 00:12:56,170 do have the flying saucers in science 228 00:13:03,750 --> 00:13:00,520 book I need to get the third one the 229 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:03,760 office as well yes science was wrong and 230 00:13:19,260 --> 00:13:16,530 fact friction and flying saucers yeah 231 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:19,270 would you mind going over the case of 232 00:13:23,610 --> 00:13:22,330 the the Betty and Barney Hill I know 233 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:23,620 you've probably told it so many times 234 00:13:28,620 --> 00:13:26,530 but some I think just in case there are 235 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:28,630 people out there and I never get fed up 236 00:13:32,220 --> 00:13:30,370 with you in it and to hear it from 237 00:13:35,460 --> 00:13:32,230 yourself would be wonderful if you 238 00:13:39,420 --> 00:13:35,470 wouldn't mind certainly well I was 13 239 00:13:42,930 --> 00:13:39,430 years old when my Aunt Betty Hill and my 240 00:13:47,490 --> 00:13:42,940 uncle Barney decided to take a short 241 00:13:49,590 --> 00:13:47,500 vacation to Niagara Falls I had been 242 00:13:51,510 --> 00:13:49,600 there at the previous month 243 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:51,520 I had photographs 244 00:13:59,280 --> 00:13:54,130 the trip I had gone with Betty's sister 245 00:14:01,440 --> 00:13:59,290 my aunt June and we had a wonderful time 246 00:14:03,660 --> 00:14:01,450 and Betty turned to Barney and said you 247 00:14:06,990 --> 00:14:03,670 know I've never been to Niagara Falls 248 00:14:10,620 --> 00:14:07,000 I'd love to go and Barney decided to 249 00:14:16,500 --> 00:14:10,630 surprise her with this trip in September 250 00:14:18,210 --> 00:14:16,510 of 1961 she had work vacation she was a 251 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:18,220 social worker for the state of New 252 00:14:24,180 --> 00:14:20,770 Hampshire and he took a few days off 253 00:14:26,579 --> 00:14:24,190 from his job at the post office they set 254 00:14:28,889 --> 00:14:26,589 out they went to Niagara Falls it 255 00:14:31,380 --> 00:14:28,899 doesn't take very long to visit Niagara 256 00:14:35,130 --> 00:14:31,390 Falls so they continued on through 257 00:14:38,990 --> 00:14:35,140 Canada - up through Ontario then on to 258 00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:39,000 Montreal where they had a wonderful time 259 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:43,360 visiting and decided to head back to New 260 00:14:52,290 --> 00:14:46,450 Hampshire on the night of September 19 261 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:52,300 1961 because the hurricane was coming up 262 00:14:58,519 --> 00:14:54,370 the coast and they wanted to be at home 263 00:15:01,800 --> 00:14:58,529 when the hurricane hits so on their 264 00:15:04,949 --> 00:15:01,810 journey home through upstate New 265 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:04,959 Hampshire Betty spotted a new light in 266 00:15:10,650 --> 00:15:07,690 the sky that was coming in closer and 267 00:15:13,620 --> 00:15:10,660 closer she called Barney's attention to 268 00:15:16,319 --> 00:15:13,630 it and he decided to stop to get a 269 00:15:18,780 --> 00:15:16,329 better look at this thing she thought it 270 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:18,790 might be a satellite he thought that it 271 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:21,690 might be here a conventional aircraft 272 00:15:26,370 --> 00:15:24,010 but they got out of the car and they 273 00:15:29,190 --> 00:15:26,380 looked at it they realized it was silent 274 00:15:31,230 --> 00:15:29,200 and they had binoculars because they had 275 00:15:36,300 --> 00:15:31,240 gone to Niagara Falls they wanted to 276 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:36,310 have them for that and the craft came in 277 00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:39,970 closer and closer they they got back 278 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:42,160 into the car and it was traveling along 279 00:15:49,889 --> 00:15:45,610 beside the car sometimes in front of the 280 00:15:52,260 --> 00:15:49,899 car and as they entered an area called 281 00:15:55,230 --> 00:15:52,270 Franconia Notch which is a beautiful 282 00:15:59,490 --> 00:15:55,240 tourist section in New Hampshire tall 283 00:16:04,080 --> 00:15:59,500 mountains on each side a river that runs 284 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:04,090 through it and a fairly narrow 285 00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:06,370 in that timeframe there's a highway 286 00:16:14,730 --> 00:16:11,680 there now but they went past Cannon 287 00:16:18,690 --> 00:16:14,740 Mountain which was a ski area still is 288 00:16:22,410 --> 00:16:18,700 and on the top of Cannon Mountain is a 289 00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:22,420 building that was was lighted and my 290 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:25,360 aunt observed as the craft went over the 291 00:16:32,490 --> 00:16:28,090 top of the mount the building the lights 292 00:16:35,100 --> 00:16:32,500 turned off and that is an indication of 293 00:16:37,110 --> 00:16:35,110 perhaps electromagnetic interference 294 00:16:41,100 --> 00:16:37,120 from the craft we don't know for certain 295 00:16:43,290 --> 00:16:41,110 they continued on to the old man of the 296 00:16:47,820 --> 00:16:43,300 mountain which was New Hampshire's 297 00:16:53,550 --> 00:16:47,830 symbol it's that high on the side of a 298 00:16:56,580 --> 00:16:53,560 mountain and Betty and Barney noticed at 299 00:17:00,510 --> 00:16:56,590 that point that the craft was at least 300 00:17:06,360 --> 00:17:00,520 twice the size of the old man's profile 301 00:17:10,110 --> 00:17:06,370 which was 48 feet from waist to are from 302 00:17:13,170 --> 00:17:10,120 chin to forehead they got back into the 303 00:17:15,900 --> 00:17:13,180 car had itself watching this craft as it 304 00:17:18,930 --> 00:17:15,910 was bouncing back and forth in the sky 305 00:17:21,630 --> 00:17:18,940 traveling in a stair step pattern very 306 00:17:25,530 --> 00:17:21,640 very unusual coming closer and closer 307 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:25,540 they exited Franconia Notch into the 308 00:17:31,260 --> 00:17:28,690 tourist area at Indian Head this is 309 00:17:33,540 --> 00:17:31,270 where the motels the hotels and the 310 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:33,550 tourist attractions were it was the 311 00:17:41,910 --> 00:17:36,970 offseason so everything was very very 312 00:17:45,650 --> 00:17:41,920 quiet it was about midnight at that time 313 00:17:49,290 --> 00:17:45,660 when this craft surged ahead and 314 00:17:53,490 --> 00:17:49,300 descended over the highway in front of 315 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:53,500 Betty and Barney and they had to stop 316 00:18:00,540 --> 00:17:57,010 their car in order to not be directly 317 00:18:01,260 --> 00:18:00,550 under this craft it descended even 318 00:18:03,630 --> 00:18:01,270 further 319 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:03,640 Barney stepped out of the car he left 320 00:18:09,990 --> 00:18:06,490 the motor running betty was seated in 321 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:10,000 the driver's seat he looked at the craft 322 00:18:16,220 --> 00:18:12,730 through binoculars at that time he 323 00:18:18,019 --> 00:18:16,230 estimated it was 200 feet in the air and 324 00:18:21,219 --> 00:18:18,029 he could see a 325 00:18:24,619 --> 00:18:21,229 lighted row of windows along a silent 326 00:18:28,399 --> 00:18:24,629 disc-shaped craft that was just hanging 327 00:18:31,369 --> 00:18:28,409 in the sky and Betty looked up she said 328 00:18:36,139 --> 00:18:31,379 that it at that point it was so large it 329 00:18:38,419 --> 00:18:36,149 filled the windshield and Barney then 330 00:18:41,749 --> 00:18:38,429 stepped away from the vehicle and when 331 00:18:44,450 --> 00:18:41,759 he did the craft moved to an adjacent 332 00:18:47,869 --> 00:18:44,460 field he followed it into the field 333 00:18:50,619 --> 00:18:47,879 still attempting to identify what it was 334 00:18:54,219 --> 00:18:50,629 because he knew it was impossible for 335 00:18:58,729 --> 00:18:54,229 Earthlings to be visited by 336 00:19:01,519 --> 00:18:58,739 extraterrestrials and so he walked into 337 00:19:04,190 --> 00:19:01,529 the field the clack craft had now 338 00:19:08,509 --> 00:19:04,200 descended to within a hundred feet of 339 00:19:13,389 --> 00:19:08,519 the ground and he put his the binoculars 340 00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:13,399 up to his eyes he saw eight to eleven 341 00:19:23,509 --> 00:19:18,320 non-human entities looking down at him 342 00:19:25,849 --> 00:19:23,519 he became frightened he was trying to 343 00:19:28,190 --> 00:19:25,859 convince himself that this was something 344 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:28,200 else that his eyes really weren't seeing 345 00:19:33,349 --> 00:19:30,210 what they were seeing there was 346 00:19:37,489 --> 00:19:33,359 cognitive dissonance going on there all 347 00:19:41,149 --> 00:19:37,499 of a sudden everyone except for one of 348 00:19:44,299 --> 00:19:41,159 these figures moved away from the window 349 00:19:47,570 --> 00:19:44,309 toward a panel their arms went up and 350 00:19:50,659 --> 00:19:47,580 when this occurred something started to 351 00:19:56,419 --> 00:19:50,669 drop down out of the bottom of this 352 00:19:59,060 --> 00:19:56,429 craft Barney immediately feared for his 353 00:20:01,009 --> 00:19:59,070 life he thought they had a plan and that 354 00:20:06,579 --> 00:20:01,019 plan was to capture him 355 00:20:09,589 --> 00:20:06,589 like quote a bug in a net close quote he 356 00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:09,599 pulled the binoculars away from his eyes 357 00:20:14,869 --> 00:20:11,820 breaking the leather strap in the 358 00:20:17,299 --> 00:20:14,879 process and ran screaming back to the 359 00:20:19,219 --> 00:20:17,309 car telling Betty that they had to get 360 00:20:22,759 --> 00:20:19,229 out of there or they were going to be 361 00:20:25,849 --> 00:20:22,769 captured as he was entering the car he 362 00:20:28,969 --> 00:20:25,859 noticed the crack was moving back in his 363 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:28,979 direction he went speeding down the 364 00:20:34,790 --> 00:20:31,530 highway he told Betty to 365 00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:34,800 roll down her window and look up she did 366 00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:38,880 she was expecting to see lights from the 367 00:20:45,380 --> 00:20:42,240 craft because tiny red lights were on 368 00:20:49,610 --> 00:20:45,390 each side of that craft and and had 369 00:20:53,870 --> 00:20:49,620 started to extend out on on little wing 370 00:20:56,570 --> 00:20:53,880 like structures she rolled the window up 371 00:21:00,590 --> 00:20:56,580 she said I can't see anything maybe it's 372 00:21:04,550 --> 00:21:00,600 gone all I saw was blackness within 373 00:21:07,730 --> 00:21:04,560 moments she and Barney heard a series of 374 00:21:10,550 --> 00:21:07,740 code like buzzing sounds striking the 375 00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:10,560 trunk of their vehicle it caused the car 376 00:21:17,450 --> 00:21:13,520 to vibrate and a tingling sensation 377 00:21:19,490 --> 00:21:17,460 passed through their bodies the next 378 00:21:23,540 --> 00:21:19,500 thing they knew there were thirty five 379 00:21:25,910 --> 00:21:23,550 miles down the highway with very little 380 00:21:29,540 --> 00:21:25,920 memory of what had occurred in the 381 00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:29,550 interim they did remember encountering a 382 00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:33,120 roadblock somewhere they weren't sure 383 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:36,240 where that was it seemed that they had 384 00:21:43,370 --> 00:21:40,050 somehow turned off the highway and onto 385 00:21:46,610 --> 00:21:43,380 a strange Road they didn't know where 386 00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:46,620 that was or how they arrived back at the 387 00:21:53,030 --> 00:21:50,400 spot down the highway 35 miles they 388 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:53,040 heard another series of buzzing sounds 389 00:22:01,550 --> 00:21:57,930 and Betty looked for the craft again 390 00:22:03,890 --> 00:22:01,560 Barney stopped the car drove from side 391 00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:03,900 to side on the road trying to make that 392 00:22:10,460 --> 00:22:06,960 sound still arguing with Betty it 393 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:10,470 couldn't have been a flying saucer he 394 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:13,050 wasn't able to prove that in fact there 395 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:15,570 was a great deal of evidence when they 396 00:22:21,020 --> 00:22:18,690 arrived home Barney's best dress shoes 397 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:21,030 were so deeply scraped that he had to 398 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:24,090 buy new shoes there was vegetative 399 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:28,110 debris on his pant legs Betty's dress 400 00:22:34,430 --> 00:22:32,490 was torn in several places she put it in 401 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:34,440 her closet when she took it out again 402 00:22:40,430 --> 00:22:37,050 there was a pink powdery substance on 403 00:22:42,050 --> 00:22:40,440 the dress the watches wind-up watches 404 00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,060 they were wearing that night we're 405 00:22:45,379 --> 00:22:44,880 working perfectly fine before they're 406 00:22:49,849 --> 00:22:45,389 closed 407 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:49,859 encounter with the UFO they never ran 408 00:22:58,489 --> 00:22:54,570 again both watches were broken and the 409 00:23:01,569 --> 00:22:58,499 trunk of their car had shiny spots that 410 00:23:04,599 --> 00:23:01,579 had not been there the day before 411 00:23:08,659 --> 00:23:04,609 several of them about the size of 412 00:23:14,539 --> 00:23:08,669 quarters or silver dollars but we had in 413 00:23:17,269 --> 00:23:14,549 the united states and betty was curious 414 00:23:21,079 --> 00:23:17,279 she called my mother we had a neighbor 415 00:23:24,739 --> 00:23:21,089 who was a nuclear physicist and my 416 00:23:29,180 --> 00:23:24,749 mother asked what Betty should do about 417 00:23:32,749 --> 00:23:29,190 this he said if you have a compass take 418 00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:32,759 it out move it around the car and see if 419 00:23:39,829 --> 00:23:36,659 the the needle of the compass moves well 420 00:23:43,339 --> 00:23:39,839 when Betty placed it over those spots 421 00:23:46,399 --> 00:23:43,349 the needle world but when she moved it 422 00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:46,409 to another part of the car the needle 423 00:23:53,180 --> 00:23:49,769 dropped down and this was on the trunk I 424 00:23:58,899 --> 00:23:53,190 think you might call it the bonnet yes 425 00:24:01,909 --> 00:23:58,909 and so there were so many mysteries and 426 00:24:04,609 --> 00:24:01,919 Barney was deeply disturbed about what 427 00:24:07,539 --> 00:24:04,619 he saw he had conscious continuous 428 00:24:11,930 --> 00:24:07,549 recall it's in the earliest reports of 429 00:24:15,919 --> 00:24:11,940 observing entities that were somehow not 430 00:24:22,419 --> 00:24:15,929 human dressed in shiny black uniforms 431 00:24:25,699 --> 00:24:22,429 looking down at him and he develops 432 00:24:29,619 --> 00:24:25,709 post-traumatic stress disorder over the 433 00:24:34,129 --> 00:24:29,629 experience he'd had Betty and Barney 434 00:24:37,699 --> 00:24:34,139 eventually were referred to dr. Benjamin 435 00:24:41,899 --> 00:24:37,709 Simon a renowned psychiatrist who 436 00:24:44,690 --> 00:24:41,909 treated veterans returning from World 437 00:24:48,889 --> 00:24:44,700 War two when he was served in the army 438 00:24:54,069 --> 00:24:48,899 and won two great awards for the work he 439 00:24:57,979 --> 00:24:54,079 did because he used deep trance hypnosis 440 00:24:59,200 --> 00:24:57,989 method that he had developed to help to 441 00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:59,210 resolve the 442 00:25:04,299 --> 00:25:01,600 emotional problems that cause 443 00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:04,309 physiological symptoms in all of these 444 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:06,529 veterans who are returning from the war 445 00:25:13,930 --> 00:25:11,330 he used that on Barney as well Betty was 446 00:25:19,049 --> 00:25:13,940 not suffering from the trauma that 447 00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:19,059 Barney was Betty had not seen the 448 00:25:24,850 --> 00:25:21,529 non-human entities at least she had no 449 00:25:29,169 --> 00:25:24,860 conscious recall of that as Barney did 450 00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:29,179 and so he worked very successfully with 451 00:25:38,529 --> 00:25:34,240 Barney hypnotizing him each week for 452 00:25:41,649 --> 00:25:38,539 once a week for six months and the 453 00:25:46,779 --> 00:25:41,659 hypnosis and the psychotherapy after and 454 00:25:49,060 --> 00:25:46,789 also with Betty he hypnotized them 455 00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:49,070 separately so that they couldn't share 456 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:53,270 information that was extremely important 457 00:25:58,360 --> 00:25:55,450 in the investigation of this case 458 00:26:01,659 --> 00:25:58,370 because one did not know what the other 459 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:01,669 saw or said about it and in the end 460 00:26:09,180 --> 00:26:06,890 their stories meshed I just must correct 461 00:26:13,930 --> 00:26:09,190 myself when you when he said about the 462 00:26:33,399 --> 00:26:13,940 the trunk is actually the boot week and 463 00:26:36,460 --> 00:26:33,409 it's actually very fascinated about the 464 00:26:40,169 --> 00:26:36,470 starmap investigation because phantom 465 00:26:42,610 --> 00:26:40,179 was heavily involved with that was yes I 466 00:26:44,919 --> 00:26:42,620 don't know if I've sort of skipped away 467 00:26:46,419 --> 00:26:44,929 from the regression part of it unless 468 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:46,429 used this is there more from the 469 00:26:49,690 --> 00:26:47,690 regression that you couldn't mention 470 00:26:52,830 --> 00:26:49,700 well I can tell you that Betty and 471 00:26:57,159 --> 00:26:52,840 Barney were regressed separately each 472 00:27:03,159 --> 00:26:57,169 each week a total of eleven regressions 473 00:27:06,909 --> 00:27:03,169 in all for each person and these were 474 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:06,919 one-hour sessions I through hypnosis 475 00:27:12,899 --> 00:27:11,090 they separately recalled every part of 476 00:27:17,299 --> 00:27:12,909 their trip 477 00:27:22,999 --> 00:27:17,309 including the close encounter and then 478 00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:23,009 their memories were opened up two 479 00:27:31,289 --> 00:27:26,799 identical stories of finding themselves 480 00:27:36,029 --> 00:27:31,299 in a strange place tall trees all around 481 00:27:36,690 --> 00:27:36,039 a dirt road and a roadblock in front of 482 00:27:39,810 --> 00:27:36,700 them 483 00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:39,820 these entities walked toward the car 484 00:27:44,489 --> 00:27:42,159 Betty and Barney who became very 485 00:27:46,739 --> 00:27:44,499 frightened when they were realized that 486 00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:46,749 these were the entities that Barney had 487 00:27:52,769 --> 00:27:50,080 seen in the field Betty tried to run 488 00:27:58,049 --> 00:27:52,779 away to escape she was intercepted 489 00:27:59,369 --> 00:27:58,059 Barney was escorted after Betty to the 490 00:28:02,519 --> 00:27:59,379 craft 491 00:28:05,820 --> 00:28:02,529 Betty fought when she was being taken 492 00:28:09,239 --> 00:28:05,830 onto the craft and this is how her dress 493 00:28:12,419 --> 00:28:09,249 was torn from waist to hemline and the 494 00:28:16,139 --> 00:28:12,429 hem was torn down on one side taken on 495 00:28:20,090 --> 00:28:16,149 given very unusual physical examinations 496 00:28:24,899 --> 00:28:20,100 they were very interested in our 497 00:28:30,090 --> 00:28:24,909 skeletal systems our ligaments our 498 00:28:33,389 --> 00:28:30,100 joints our muscular system they were 499 00:28:38,489 --> 00:28:33,399 very interested in in their hair in 500 00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:38,499 their skin and took their shoes off to 501 00:28:45,109 --> 00:28:41,679 examine their feet closely examined 502 00:28:46,379 --> 00:28:45,119 their hands and these were separates 503 00:28:50,190 --> 00:28:46,389 examinations 504 00:28:52,889 --> 00:28:50,200 Betty's was first they inserted a very 505 00:28:56,340 --> 00:28:52,899 large needle into her navel that caused 506 00:28:59,099 --> 00:28:56,350 her great pain but she took they took 507 00:29:02,700 --> 00:28:59,109 the pain away when they realized it was 508 00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:02,710 hurting because of this she began to 509 00:29:09,450 --> 00:29:05,769 trust the one that she called the leader 510 00:29:13,979 --> 00:29:09,460 the he's the one that we know now as an 511 00:29:17,849 --> 00:29:13,989 escort he was a leader of sorts because 512 00:29:21,810 --> 00:29:17,859 he was the individual who was familiar 513 00:29:25,019 --> 00:29:21,820 with Betty who would take and experience 514 00:29:29,569 --> 00:29:25,029 her time and time again and 515 00:29:32,969 --> 00:29:29,579 so after Betty's examination the 516 00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:32,979 examiner went in and did an examination 517 00:29:41,429 --> 00:29:37,929 on Barney and Betty had lost her fear of 518 00:29:45,089 --> 00:29:41,439 the leader at that point she said to him 519 00:29:48,809 --> 00:29:45,099 I know you're not from around here 520 00:29:52,049 --> 00:29:48,819 there is your home court and this is 521 00:29:55,289 --> 00:29:52,059 when he produced a three-dimensional 522 00:29:58,249 --> 00:29:55,299 star map of sorts she said that it was 523 00:30:01,649 --> 00:29:58,259 like almost like looking out of a window 524 00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:01,659 and it was three-dimensional the stars 525 00:30:08,849 --> 00:30:05,529 were various sizes and various colors as 526 00:30:11,459 --> 00:30:08,859 well and some of those stars she 527 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:11,469 understood were trade routes there were 528 00:30:22,739 --> 00:30:15,809 many lines drawn between them and then 529 00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:22,749 one of them was our Sun and others were 530 00:30:29,339 --> 00:30:25,809 connected by dotted lines and those 531 00:30:35,129 --> 00:30:29,349 dotted lines represented expeditions 532 00:30:38,939 --> 00:30:35,139 that they were taking so very very 533 00:30:42,719 --> 00:30:38,949 interesting under hypnosis dr. Simon 534 00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:42,729 gave Betty the post from hypnotic 535 00:30:48,959 --> 00:30:45,279 suggestion that if she could remember 536 00:30:52,949 --> 00:30:48,969 that map that she saw and if she was 537 00:30:56,509 --> 00:30:52,959 able to draw it without causing herself 538 00:31:00,869 --> 00:30:56,519 too much angst then she would be able to 539 00:31:03,569 --> 00:31:00,879 draw that map she did sketch that map 540 00:31:08,819 --> 00:31:03,579 and two of the stars in the foreground 541 00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:08,829 are about the sizes of nickels or even 542 00:31:17,969 --> 00:31:13,289 may be as large as quarters there was 543 00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:17,979 worth three actually smaller circles and 544 00:31:24,689 --> 00:31:19,929 then the others were more or less the 545 00:31:30,199 --> 00:31:24,699 size of pinpoints Margery fish who was a 546 00:31:31,409 --> 00:31:30,209 brilliant woman from Ohio decided to 547 00:31:34,739 --> 00:31:31,419 investigate 548 00:31:38,030 --> 00:31:34,749 Betty starmap and she began to build 549 00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:38,040 three-dimensional models 550 00:31:45,090 --> 00:31:40,480 representing our local galactic 551 00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:45,100 neighborhood out 55 light-years she had 552 00:31:52,860 --> 00:31:48,630 to go to the University and borrow 553 00:31:55,290 --> 00:31:52,870 actually sit down in the Astronomy 554 00:31:58,530 --> 00:31:55,300 Department and copy the distance data 555 00:32:01,650 --> 00:31:58,540 from their astronomical catalogs take 556 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:01,660 that dater back to her home and using 557 00:32:08,820 --> 00:32:04,810 monofilament line and beads of various 558 00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:08,830 colors and sizes build that star map 559 00:32:17,270 --> 00:32:12,910 with all of the qualities of those stars 560 00:32:22,050 --> 00:32:17,280 as to as well the size of their masts 561 00:32:26,610 --> 00:32:22,060 the color the distance all in their 562 00:32:30,090 --> 00:32:26,620 proper place on that map she looked for 563 00:32:32,940 --> 00:32:30,100 many years and she could not find an 564 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:32,950 exact match initially she thought she'd 565 00:32:41,490 --> 00:32:37,090 find many but finally a new catalog was 566 00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:41,500 released in 1971 there was distance 567 00:32:50,370 --> 00:32:44,740 different distance data in that catalog 568 00:32:54,510 --> 00:32:50,380 and some new stars also had distance 569 00:32:57,420 --> 00:32:54,520 data that had not had it before she was 570 00:32:59,760 --> 00:32:57,430 able to take that home move some of 571 00:33:03,720 --> 00:32:59,770 those stars around she had actually 572 00:33:06,270 --> 00:33:03,730 built 14 different models but she moved 573 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:06,280 the Stars around in one of these models 574 00:33:13,460 --> 00:33:09,010 and lo and behold she had a perfect 575 00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:13,470 match nearly four Betty's star map and 576 00:33:21,540 --> 00:33:18,340 then the problem was who would vent her 577 00:33:25,620 --> 00:33:21,550 work and this is when Stanton Friedman 578 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:25,630 was called upon to meet with Marjorie to 579 00:33:32,130 --> 00:33:29,770 examine her work he told me that he was 580 00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:32,140 very impressed with Marjorie's 581 00:33:38,610 --> 00:33:35,020 intelligence and with her scientific 582 00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:38,620 methodology and knowledge he said that 583 00:33:42,090 --> 00:33:40,480 she could speak with a scientist he 584 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:42,100 thought better than she was able to 585 00:33:49,980 --> 00:33:44,410 carry on a conversation with the average 586 00:33:50,730 --> 00:33:49,990 public he found scientists to vet 587 00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:50,740 Marjorie's 588 00:33:54,660 --> 00:33:53,710 work and they all said that her work was 589 00:33:59,790 --> 00:33:54,670 accurate 590 00:34:06,570 --> 00:33:59,800 so then Stanton wrote to the first 591 00:34:10,409 --> 00:34:06,580 article on Marjorie's work and continued 592 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:10,419 to defend the snare star map based upon 593 00:34:18,419 --> 00:34:16,690 the scientific findings at some point 594 00:34:20,820 --> 00:34:18,429 with child that J Allen Hynek was 595 00:34:27,590 --> 00:34:20,830 involved in the investigation as well 596 00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:27,600 yes what skeptical of it he was he said 597 00:34:35,970 --> 00:34:31,470 scientifically skeptical because of the 598 00:34:38,220 --> 00:34:35,980 psychological part of this the the 599 00:34:44,010 --> 00:34:38,230 hypnosis Barney's post-traumatic stress 600 00:34:48,899 --> 00:34:44,020 disorder but I did meet Allen Hynek when 601 00:34:51,930 --> 00:34:48,909 he was visiting with dr. Simon Betty 602 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:51,940 Barney and I went to dr. Simon's home 603 00:34:57,780 --> 00:34:54,970 where dr. Simon hypnotized the two of 604 00:35:00,660 --> 00:34:57,790 them together in front of Allen Hynek 605 00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:00,670 and John fuller who was the writer of 606 00:35:08,609 --> 00:35:06,070 the first book on their case and I was 607 00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:08,619 there he hypnotized them separately and 608 00:35:14,910 --> 00:35:12,070 they went through certain steps of their 609 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:14,920 hypnosis as if they were driving in the 610 00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:19,330 car sitting in the car and talking to 611 00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:21,910 each other on about what they were 612 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:25,140 observing I think that Allen Hynek 613 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:29,170 believed this many of the scientists who 614 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:31,930 did study this case believed that this 615 00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:35,410 really did happen there was the 616 00:35:42,780 --> 00:35:38,800 scientific evidence and the 617 00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:42,790 circumstantial evidence and so I think 618 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:45,520 that was important and with regard to 619 00:35:59,640 --> 00:35:50,290 the star map there were properties that 620 00:36:01,560 --> 00:35:59,650 were highly unusual when in 1972 when 621 00:36:03,730 --> 00:36:01,570 Marjorie had completed her work and 622 00:36:06,130 --> 00:36:03,740 found the last three stars 623 00:36:09,730 --> 00:36:06,140 she found that all the pattern stars 624 00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:09,740 were sun-like although only 5% of the 625 00:36:14,740 --> 00:36:12,160 thousand stars in the local galactic 626 00:36:19,329 --> 00:36:14,750 neighborhood out 54 light years or 627 00:36:23,980 --> 00:36:19,339 sunlight and map made sense nearest star 628 00:36:26,490 --> 00:36:23,990 to nearest star if a spacecraft from 629 00:36:31,390 --> 00:36:26,500 another planet we're going to go 630 00:36:34,690 --> 00:36:31,400 exploring through space they were all in 631 00:36:37,210 --> 00:36:34,700 a plane which was like pepperoni on a 632 00:36:39,490 --> 00:36:37,220 pizza not raisins in a loaf of raisin 633 00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:39,500 bread so it would be much easier to 634 00:36:48,339 --> 00:36:44,510 travel along that plane and the pair of 635 00:36:52,359 --> 00:36:48,349 base stars was unique because there were 636 00:36:56,890 --> 00:36:52,369 39 point two light-years from the Sun 637 00:37:01,150 --> 00:36:56,900 and only 1/8 of a Lightyear apart from 638 00:37:06,099 --> 00:37:01,160 one another yet they have the properties 639 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:06,109 of our Sun they have 93 percent of the 640 00:37:17,290 --> 00:37:11,690 solar mass 2191 percent of the diameter 641 00:37:21,339 --> 00:37:17,300 I'm on Zeta Reticuli 179 percent of the 642 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:21,349 luminosity an abundance of iron and for 643 00:37:27,609 --> 00:37:25,010 Zeta Reticuli 2 which was at the very 644 00:37:33,339 --> 00:37:27,619 forefront the size of a quarter 645 00:37:36,370 --> 00:37:33,349 it had 99 percent of the sun's mass 99 646 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:36,380 percent of the sun's diameter and a 647 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:38,690 hundred and two percent of the 648 00:37:45,849 --> 00:37:41,690 luminosity so they had very special 649 00:37:49,410 --> 00:37:45,859 properties as well and I know that we 650 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:49,420 are finally our scientists are going to 651 00:37:57,339 --> 00:37:54,050 take a look at those two stars and I'm 652 00:38:00,430 --> 00:37:57,349 very very interested in learning if they 653 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:00,440 really do have a planets or planets 654 00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:04,970 around them I do know that it was 655 00:38:13,630 --> 00:38:07,250 announced that they did find a large 656 00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:13,640 planet around Zeta Reticuli but then 657 00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:16,430 that statement for some reason was 658 00:38:21,849 --> 00:38:17,180 withdrawn 659 00:38:25,540 --> 00:38:21,859 there's so much public interest in that 660 00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:25,550 and I know that the government is not 661 00:38:34,839 --> 00:38:28,640 very happy when it has to answer to the 662 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:34,849 media there was another very interesting 663 00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:39,410 piece of evidence in that case - betty 664 00:38:45,549 --> 00:38:43,250 was shown alien script and she had asked 665 00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:45,559 if she could take that evidence home 666 00:38:52,180 --> 00:38:46,390 with her 667 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:52,190 originally the the leader told her yes 668 00:38:54,970 --> 00:38:54,290 she could take it home and she was very 669 00:38:57,579 --> 00:38:54,980 happy 670 00:39:01,960 --> 00:38:57,589 this was her evidence but as she was 671 00:39:06,220 --> 00:39:01,970 leaving the craft the smaller entities 672 00:39:11,290 --> 00:39:06,230 on board who served as the guards and as 673 00:39:15,309 --> 00:39:11,300 the assistants were very upset when they 674 00:39:17,650 --> 00:39:15,319 noticed that she had that booklet 675 00:39:21,490 --> 00:39:17,660 whatever it was with her it certainly 676 00:39:25,180 --> 00:39:21,500 wasn't a book and they took it away from 677 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:25,190 her and she was extremely upset the 678 00:39:31,569 --> 00:39:28,490 leader told her that he was sorry that 679 00:39:33,970 --> 00:39:31,579 she couldn't have it the decision had 680 00:39:37,630 --> 00:39:33,980 been made that it would be best if they 681 00:39:41,530 --> 00:39:37,640 didn't remember what had occurred and he 682 00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:41,540 apologized for frightening her one thing 683 00:39:47,049 --> 00:39:44,960 I have to mention felt this crew is that 684 00:39:49,450 --> 00:39:47,059 they were very apologetic 685 00:39:51,309 --> 00:39:49,460 they said reassured Betty and Barney 686 00:39:54,099 --> 00:39:51,319 that they would not be harmed 687 00:39:56,589 --> 00:39:54,109 that they only had a few simple tests to 688 00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:56,599 do that they would be returned to their 689 00:40:04,690 --> 00:39:59,359 car and could be on their way back home 690 00:40:07,059 --> 00:40:04,700 so they were very respectful of Betty 691 00:40:10,569 --> 00:40:07,069 and Barney even though they had grabbed 692 00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:10,579 them off the highway kidnapped them they 693 00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:13,760 tried to reassure them that they would 694 00:40:18,339 --> 00:40:15,730 do no harm 695 00:40:19,630 --> 00:40:18,349 hmm because they're also they've been 696 00:40:21,309 --> 00:40:19,640 other abductions 697 00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,319 I wonder if this may have been a 698 00:40:25,690 --> 00:40:23,119 different race because if they were so 699 00:40:27,849 --> 00:40:25,700 interested in Betty and Barney and 700 00:40:30,250 --> 00:40:27,859 they're looking at things like their 701 00:40:31,930 --> 00:40:30,260 hair and fingers and whatnot 702 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:31,940 could there have been a different race I 703 00:40:36,310 --> 00:40:33,890 wonder the two other ones because we do 704 00:40:39,220 --> 00:40:36,320 hear that there are several races visit 705 00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:39,230 visiting these planet your opinions over 706 00:40:46,570 --> 00:40:43,359 on that yes there are several races 707 00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:46,580 visiting this planet I am the mutual UFO 708 00:40:53,290 --> 00:40:49,369 network director of experience or 709 00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:53,300 research I have a team of 33 people who 710 00:41:01,440 --> 00:40:58,130 work on my team and we receive up to a 711 00:41:05,770 --> 00:41:01,450 hundred and fifty reports per month from 712 00:41:08,830 --> 00:41:05,780 individuals who are just looking for 713 00:41:14,620 --> 00:41:08,840 someone that they can talk with about 714 00:41:17,770 --> 00:41:14,630 this who will not criticize them and so 715 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:17,780 and I've also conducted and worked on 716 00:41:31,660 --> 00:41:28,660 experiences as well and Betty and Barney 717 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:31,670 remember we were not aware that anyone 718 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:32,330 else 719 00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:34,490 had been abducted before Betty and 720 00:41:43,210 --> 00:41:37,280 Barney we found out later that there was 721 00:41:47,140 --> 00:41:43,220 an abduction in Brazil the Antonia Vyasa 722 00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:47,150 Boas case but we didn't know that in the 723 00:41:54,010 --> 00:41:49,760 United States when Betty and Barney were 724 00:41:57,130 --> 00:41:54,020 taken in 1961 I have since worked with 725 00:41:59,500 --> 00:41:57,140 people I'm also a hypnotherapist and a 726 00:42:03,960 --> 00:41:59,510 quantum healing hypnosis practitioner 727 00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:03,970 and I have worked with people who have 728 00:42:10,660 --> 00:42:07,730 encountered various races of entities 729 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:10,670 and some of them seem to work together 730 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:14,330 others seem not to work with the other 731 00:42:20,349 --> 00:42:17,770 groups there are I'm aware of several 732 00:42:23,650 --> 00:42:20,359 different races of what we call the 733 00:42:26,260 --> 00:42:23,660 graves and it appears that Betty and 734 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:26,270 Barney were visited by one of those 735 00:42:34,090 --> 00:42:30,530 races of Gray's their skin was gray 736 00:42:39,730 --> 00:42:34,100 they had a slip for a mouth no visible 737 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:39,740 ears and only holes flat nose very very 738 00:42:43,690 --> 00:42:42,170 tiny just a little upturn with a couple 739 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:43,700 of nostrils 740 00:42:51,130 --> 00:42:46,730 that sort of wrapped around to the sides 741 00:42:53,710 --> 00:42:51,140 of their heads they could see what 742 00:42:56,589 --> 00:42:53,720 reminded them of cattle eyes they 743 00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:56,599 reflected in the dark and they didn't 744 00:43:05,319 --> 00:43:01,520 have those black lenses over their eyes 745 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:05,329 like we hear so often their heads were 746 00:43:11,020 --> 00:43:07,490 larger in proportion to their bodies 747 00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:11,030 than humans their chests were fairly 748 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:15,520 large but they had very spindly limbs 749 00:43:20,289 --> 00:43:18,170 they walked a little differently than 750 00:43:23,020 --> 00:43:20,299 humans as as well as if they were 751 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:23,030 jointed their joints were somewhat 752 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:27,530 different and they were completely 753 00:43:36,730 --> 00:43:31,250 hairless dressed in black shiny uniforms 754 00:43:39,339 --> 00:43:36,740 and so that's the way they appeared 755 00:43:43,450 --> 00:43:39,349 there was a smaller group there were two 756 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:43,460 of the taller ones who looked a little 757 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:45,290 more human 758 00:43:51,849 --> 00:43:48,410 but that race does look a little more 759 00:43:54,430 --> 00:43:51,859 human than our stereotypical image of 760 00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:54,440 the greys and then there were the 761 00:44:01,690 --> 00:43:58,480 stereotypical little greys who might be 762 00:44:05,710 --> 00:44:01,700 biomechanical I don't know for certain 763 00:44:08,260 --> 00:44:05,720 but that's a speculation I have they had 764 00:44:10,750 --> 00:44:08,270 larger heads in proportion to their 765 00:44:15,460 --> 00:44:10,760 bodies they were shorter than the other 766 00:44:17,049 --> 00:44:15,470 two and they did have black eyes have 767 00:44:19,450 --> 00:44:17,059 you got any sort of estimate how many 768 00:44:21,220 --> 00:44:19,460 races maybe does it in the planet or I 769 00:44:25,319 --> 00:44:21,230 mean I've heard I've heard something 770 00:44:28,089 --> 00:44:25,329 from something between 17 to 100 yes 771 00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:28,099 people speculate many many different 772 00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:32,510 races I think that we have to consider 773 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:36,079 the those that are most frequently 774 00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:39,890 reported and those are from several 775 00:44:50,140 --> 00:44:45,040 races of grace also human looking 776 00:44:52,569 --> 00:44:50,150 entities who are not completely human 777 00:44:56,140 --> 00:44:52,579 they speak telepathically they're very 778 00:44:58,839 --> 00:44:56,150 attractive humans and 779 00:45:05,170 --> 00:44:58,849 they state that theory they lived to be 780 00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:05,180 800 to 900 years and that they did live 781 00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:08,480 on earth at one time in our distant past 782 00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:11,569 but the planet had become uninhabitable 783 00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:14,710 at that point and they had to move on 784 00:45:23,650 --> 00:45:19,369 there's also a group of in insectoids 785 00:45:27,130 --> 00:45:23,660 mantis type beings that seemed to work 786 00:45:32,380 --> 00:45:27,140 with the greys and sometimes work with 787 00:45:36,579 --> 00:45:32,390 that race of human type aliens before 788 00:45:40,180 --> 00:45:36,589 you and then we have the reptilian race 789 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:40,190 that and of course there were three 790 00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:43,490 different types of reptilians ranging 791 00:45:51,250 --> 00:45:47,119 from a lizard type to kind of an 792 00:45:54,460 --> 00:45:51,260 alligator kind of face like to an actual 793 00:45:56,620 --> 00:45:54,470 draconian type with a tail they tend not 794 00:46:02,490 --> 00:45:56,630 to work with the other races unless 795 00:46:06,010 --> 00:46:02,500 they've captured them and then we have 796 00:46:10,269 --> 00:46:06,020 also reports of tall whites tall 797 00:46:14,349 --> 00:46:10,279 Golden's Ballou entities and then it 798 00:46:17,170 --> 00:46:14,359 diminishes significantly after that some 799 00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:17,180 people think that Sasquatch is actually 800 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:21,710 an interdimensional alien kind of being 801 00:46:29,319 --> 00:46:26,210 I don't know this is just I'm - giving 802 00:46:35,049 --> 00:46:29,329 you information based upon the studies 803 00:46:37,029 --> 00:46:35,059 that I have participated in you can do 804 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:37,039 what the information comes your way cool 805 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:41,090 yeah yeah it's interesting stuff though 806 00:46:46,269 --> 00:46:43,450 [Music] 807 00:46:49,930 --> 00:46:46,279 how do you see your future role in 808 00:46:52,299 --> 00:46:49,940 ufology I mean are you gonna know Stan's 809 00:47:00,519 --> 00:46:52,309 left a big hole with do you feel you 810 00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:00,529 could no no and I'm not a Stanton 811 00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:05,119 Friedman thought oh very much alike in 812 00:47:09,460 --> 00:47:07,760 our reasoning that's one reason we 813 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:09,470 worked so well together my 814 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:12,770 background is in sociology education and 815 00:47:20,589 --> 00:47:17,570 Social Work and I intend to continue I 816 00:47:24,180 --> 00:47:20,599 have written a new book which will be 817 00:47:27,250 --> 00:47:24,190 released on September 1st it's for 818 00:47:29,470 --> 00:47:27,260 experiencers their families their loved 819 00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:29,480 ones their friends and anyone who is 820 00:47:36,580 --> 00:47:33,369 interested in this topic it's titled 821 00:47:42,460 --> 00:47:36,590 extraterrestrial contact what to do when 822 00:47:46,270 --> 00:47:42,470 you've been abducted and so I will be 823 00:47:49,690 --> 00:47:46,280 speaking at many many conferences this 824 00:47:52,980 --> 00:47:49,700 summer and into the fall they're all 825 00:47:58,750 --> 00:47:52,990 listed on my website at Kathleen - 826 00:48:02,320 --> 00:47:58,760 Mardon ma rden dot-com and I I will 827 00:48:06,190 --> 00:48:02,330 continue in in my work with experiencers 828 00:48:09,970 --> 00:48:06,200 I might even do some more archival 829 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:09,980 research like I did with Stanton it was 830 00:48:17,140 --> 00:48:13,010 very enjoyable I like it very much 831 00:48:21,339 --> 00:48:17,150 particularly government documents but I 832 00:48:24,450 --> 00:48:21,349 am also working in support in a support 833 00:48:27,940 --> 00:48:24,460 role with experiencers I will be doing 834 00:48:30,510 --> 00:48:27,950 support sessions at several conferences 835 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:30,520 support groups workshops for 836 00:48:36,250 --> 00:48:33,770 experiencers and PowerPoint 837 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:36,260 presentations as well and I'm very 838 00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:39,410 interested in communication what are 839 00:48:45,849 --> 00:48:43,310 these non-human entities telling us in 840 00:48:48,130 --> 00:48:45,859 the past we've always focused upon the 841 00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:48,140 evidence the physical evidence 842 00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,230 what exactly happened on that craft it's 843 00:48:56,349 --> 00:48:53,119 time to move on we have a lot of 844 00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:56,359 information on that why are they here 845 00:49:01,720 --> 00:48:58,490 that's the important thing that I want 846 00:49:07,870 --> 00:49:01,730 to know and what is their relationship 847 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:07,880 with humans and so I do have a new 848 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:12,050 PowerPoint presentation on communication 849 00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:15,890 with these non-human intelligent 850 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:19,849 entities how do you feel about the 851 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:21,650 disclosure movement you think we've 852 00:49:24,910 --> 00:49:22,970 actually been 853 00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,920 in my mind I think a lot of it has 854 00:49:29,529 --> 00:49:27,440 actually been disclosed a lot of 855 00:49:31,150 --> 00:49:29,539 paperwork has been released but there's 856 00:49:33,069 --> 00:49:31,160 so much of it being pushed out there 857 00:49:34,930 --> 00:49:33,079 that you've got you got to find it 858 00:49:38,099 --> 00:49:34,940 yes well you have to go to credible 859 00:49:43,930 --> 00:49:38,109 sources and the black vault is one 860 00:49:46,420 --> 00:49:43,940 credible source and there are a lot of 861 00:49:51,250 --> 00:49:46,430 documents there that have been analyzed 862 00:49:57,059 --> 00:49:51,260 and and are real the disclosure movement 863 00:50:01,450 --> 00:49:57,069 is moving ahead I think on December 16 864 00:50:03,940 --> 00:50:01,460 2017 the New York Times printed an 865 00:50:07,690 --> 00:50:03,950 article on the front page and it was 866 00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:07,700 about a secret program that had been 867 00:50:13,809 --> 00:50:10,160 conducted through the Pentagon and 868 00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:13,819 funded through Congress by Senator Harry 869 00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:19,280 Reid's work to study UFOs that might be 870 00:50:26,430 --> 00:50:22,160 a threat to national security it was 871 00:50:31,269 --> 00:50:26,440 called the advanced aerospace threat 872 00:50:35,470 --> 00:50:31,279 identification program and so far they 873 00:50:39,460 --> 00:50:35,480 have released videos of two different 874 00:50:42,970 --> 00:50:39,470 UFOs with highly unusual properties that 875 00:50:45,220 --> 00:50:42,980 have been studied scientifically they do 876 00:50:48,039 --> 00:50:45,230 not believe that they are from this 877 00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:48,049 planet because of the things that they 878 00:50:55,690 --> 00:50:51,680 are able to do they can stop on a dime 879 00:51:01,180 --> 00:50:55,700 they can stay still in the air without 880 00:51:05,710 --> 00:51:01,190 making any sound whatsoever there is a 881 00:51:09,099 --> 00:51:05,720 plasma field around them they are able 882 00:51:11,950 --> 00:51:09,109 to ascend and descend very very rapidly 883 00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:11,960 they're able to plunge into the ocean 884 00:51:21,279 --> 00:51:16,510 and then move up into the air vertically 885 00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:21,289 again there have been interviews with 886 00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:24,760 David flavour who was an highly 887 00:51:32,500 --> 00:51:28,730 experienced naval pilot who was on one 888 00:51:35,260 --> 00:51:32,510 of those planes that had these UFOs on 889 00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:35,270 radar and 890 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:39,710 it was Lu Elizondo who was the head of 891 00:51:53,650 --> 00:51:46,850 the a tip program from there a rock star 892 00:51:55,690 --> 00:51:53,660 who had been very very popular had an 893 00:51:58,720 --> 00:51:55,700 interest in all of this and he put 894 00:52:00,730 --> 00:51:58,730 together the to the stars Academy for 895 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:00,740 arts and science and he was able to 896 00:52:06,130 --> 00:52:03,650 attract Lu Elizondo who had left the 897 00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:06,140 agent program because of the 898 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:13,610 overwhelming secrecy and he and others 899 00:52:21,220 --> 00:52:18,010 were able to attract several individuals 900 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:21,230 top-level scientists for the government 901 00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:25,850 and military intelligence people CIA 902 00:52:34,060 --> 00:52:31,250 people and they are working together you 903 00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:34,070 on disclosure and I think that 904 00:52:40,570 --> 00:52:37,520 disclosure is probably going to has 905 00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:40,580 happened Lu Elizondo said it did happen 906 00:52:46,510 --> 00:52:43,280 on the front page of the New York Times 907 00:52:49,390 --> 00:52:46,520 they don't publish false information it 908 00:52:51,940 --> 00:52:49,400 has to be checked out but it will 909 00:52:54,250 --> 00:52:51,950 continue to take place in the United 910 00:52:57,370 --> 00:52:54,260 States and you know we're the ones who 911 00:52:58,900 --> 00:52:57,380 always dragged our feet other countries 912 00:53:02,220 --> 00:52:58,910 have been much more willing to come 913 00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:02,230 forward with their UFO FILES so I think 914 00:53:09,180 --> 00:53:06,310 I'm off to mystic that it will happen 915 00:53:12,430 --> 00:53:09,190 unless you know in the UK if they've 916 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:12,440 really released a torrent of UFO FILES 917 00:53:16,540 --> 00:53:14,930 and I think a lot of it a lot of 918 00:53:17,950 --> 00:53:16,550 disclosure who's actually buried it 919 00:53:19,090 --> 00:53:17,960 amongst all that and you've really got 920 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:19,100 to go through it 921 00:53:25,210 --> 00:53:20,810 it's like putting it it's like hugging a 922 00:53:28,380 --> 00:53:25,220 tree and I think this work is very 923 00:53:31,870 --> 00:53:28,390 tedious because you have to go through 924 00:53:36,730 --> 00:53:31,880 thousands of files before you can find a 925 00:53:39,250 --> 00:53:36,740 gem yeah I mean on my soft colored Amish 926 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:39,260 the paranormal dimensions sites on 927 00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:41,690 Facebook obviously leaked to this 928 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:44,480 program so I will put a lot of links and 929 00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:46,130 things to yourself and your your website 930 00:53:53,230 --> 00:53:49,130 and books and 931 00:53:54,730 --> 00:53:53,240 I've got a few more minutes to see if I 932 00:53:56,769 --> 00:53:54,740 can phone a couple of questions now that 933 00:53:59,519 --> 00:53:56,779 what interested that pink powdery 934 00:54:02,319 --> 00:53:59,529 substance that was on Betty's dress was 935 00:54:05,410 --> 00:54:02,329 opposed any bit was animal suit has been 936 00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:05,420 analyzed six different scientific 937 00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:09,529 laboratories the beginning the first was 938 00:54:13,870 --> 00:54:11,839 the University of Cincinnati chemistry 939 00:54:16,809 --> 00:54:13,880 department they did everything they 940 00:54:22,660 --> 00:54:16,819 could to try to analyze what that powder 941 00:54:25,630 --> 00:54:22,670 was and to create that on her dress to 942 00:54:29,490 --> 00:54:25,640 bleach it out to do everything they 943 00:54:33,250 --> 00:54:29,500 could not create that same effect on 944 00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:33,260 Betty's dress they it has been analyzed 945 00:54:42,010 --> 00:54:37,760 by several other the scientist at five 946 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:42,020 additional ones who were at the top of 947 00:54:49,029 --> 00:54:45,410 their field highly qualified and no one 948 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:49,039 has ever able to identify that powder 949 00:54:59,410 --> 00:54:55,010 the speculation is that the non-human 950 00:55:04,000 --> 00:54:59,420 entities hands had either a fungus or a 951 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:04,010 yeast on them that because the areas of 952 00:55:10,210 --> 00:55:05,690 Betty's dress that were most heavily 953 00:55:11,890 --> 00:55:10,220 saturated with that pink powder were the 954 00:55:17,380 --> 00:55:11,900 areas where Betty stated they had 955 00:55:21,210 --> 00:55:17,390 touched her and so what the speculation 956 00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:21,220 is is that perhaps they used a 957 00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,319 sterilization process on Betty's 958 00:55:30,670 --> 00:55:26,960 clothing on Betty when she entered the 959 00:55:34,210 --> 00:55:30,680 craft it killed the bacteria and that 960 00:55:37,150 --> 00:55:34,220 this fungus or yeast deposited from 961 00:55:41,609 --> 00:55:37,160 their hands onto the dress grew and 962 00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:41,619 flourished and then died off the the 963 00:55:48,430 --> 00:55:45,170 substance florist under a blacklight and 964 00:55:52,980 --> 00:55:48,440 will find that that certain yeasts and 965 00:55:56,170 --> 00:55:52,990 funguses do as well this is still exist 966 00:55:59,289 --> 00:55:56,180 yes her loose her dress is in an 967 00:56:02,130 --> 00:55:59,299 archival collection at the University of 968 00:56:06,250 --> 00:56:02,140 New Hampshire her alma mater 969 00:56:07,570 --> 00:56:06,260 right so is it I'll be can I just wonder 970 00:56:11,530 --> 00:56:07,580 if it might end up in the roswell museum 971 00:56:14,140 --> 00:56:11,540 or something at some point no it won't 972 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:14,150 there are photographs of her dress I'm 973 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:17,450 giving a lot of my archival collection 974 00:56:23,290 --> 00:56:21,170 to the roswell museum and the 975 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:23,300 photographs of the dress so they have 976 00:56:29,530 --> 00:56:26,570 that but they don't have the dress 977 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:29,540 itself it will remain at the University 978 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:31,810 of New Hampshire in Betty's and Barney's 979 00:56:37,870 --> 00:56:34,370 archival collection there are two 980 00:56:40,660 --> 00:56:37,880 archives in their names one is for their 981 00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:40,670 civil rights activities their their work 982 00:56:48,010 --> 00:56:44,000 in the civil rights movement in the 983 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:48,020 United States and also their UFO 984 00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:52,610 collection that's really where it should 985 00:56:59,590 --> 00:56:55,670 be isn't it so yes yeah it would be nice 986 00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:59,600 to have part of it at the Roswell Museum 987 00:57:04,300 --> 00:57:01,520 but when I gave the dress to the 988 00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:04,310 university I hadn't even thought about 989 00:57:14,590 --> 00:57:07,730 cutting out a piece of it to give to the 990 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:14,600 museum unfortunately yeah so what keeps 991 00:57:20,010 --> 00:57:16,490 you motivated in this business is 992 00:57:24,970 --> 00:57:20,020 anything any disappointments sometimes 993 00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:24,980 I'm fascinated by this research I'm 994 00:57:33,070 --> 00:57:29,090 constantly looking for the answers and 995 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:33,080 when I find one answer I move on to to 996 00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:37,010 look for another so that consumes nearly 997 00:57:42,310 --> 00:57:40,850 all of my time in addition to the work 998 00:57:44,740 --> 00:57:42,320 that I do with the Edgar Mitchell 999 00:57:46,290 --> 00:57:44,750 foundation research into 1000 00:57:49,390 --> 00:57:46,300 extraterrestrial and extraordinary 1001 00:57:53,170 --> 00:57:49,400 encounters and the mutual UFO network 1002 00:57:57,460 --> 00:57:53,180 I'm very busy with those I'm speaking at 1003 00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:57,470 conferences and I will write another 1004 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:02,000 book as well I'm just I have to decide 1005 00:58:08,170 --> 00:58:05,930 what I'm going to write it on should I 1006 00:58:11,050 --> 00:58:08,180 write a book on Stanton's life the 1007 00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:11,060 Stanton that I knew and my memories of 1008 00:58:15,099 --> 00:58:13,280 the work we did together I think that 1009 00:58:17,709 --> 00:58:15,109 would be really a lot of 1010 00:58:19,059 --> 00:58:17,719 to do yeah I think that should be done 1011 00:58:19,779 --> 00:58:19,069 there see carefully no I think that 1012 00:58:21,579 --> 00:58:19,789 would be wonderful 1013 00:58:23,079 --> 00:58:21,589 I think somebody should yeah I 1014 00:58:28,660 --> 00:58:23,089 definitely that I think you really 1015 00:58:31,959 --> 00:58:28,670 should do that thank you for your 1016 00:58:36,579 --> 00:58:31,969 opinion receive the same opinions from 1017 00:58:38,650 --> 00:58:36,589 several other individuals yeah anyway 1018 00:58:41,529 --> 00:58:38,660 thank you very much for your time I'm 1019 00:58:43,089 --> 00:58:41,539 afraid that's gone so quickly yeah it's 1020 00:58:47,259 --> 00:58:43,099 been wonderful thank you so much again 1021 00:58:50,229 --> 00:58:47,269 for sparing your time once again Ross is 1022 00:58:51,969 --> 00:58:50,239 here confirmed and sees it you know how 1023 00:58:53,709 --> 00:58:51,979 everyone feels about I mean I think we 1024 00:58:56,410 --> 00:58:53,719 were all shocked and disappointed and 1025 00:58:59,949 --> 00:58:56,420 upset and all the other words of 1026 00:59:02,170 --> 00:58:59,959 description that's a yes but again Thank 1027 00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:02,180 You Kathleen and I hope to get to speak 1028 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:04,160 to you again at some time but so you 1029 00:59:09,069 --> 00:59:05,450 keep a lookout for those books that 1030 00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:09,079 you're talking about and all cause I 1031 00:59:12,539 --> 00:59:10,880 thank you again for your time and it's 1032 00:59:14,349 --> 00:59:12,549 been wonderful talking to you and 1033 00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:14,359 everyone out there you've been listening 1034 00:59:18,940 --> 00:59:16,910 to Kathleen modern on the paranormal UK 1035 00:59:21,789 --> 00:59:18,950 radio network and the parallel 1036 00:59:26,349 --> 00:59:21,799 dimensions with baby jump in again thank 1037 00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:26,359 you kathleen and good boy take care of 1038 00:59:30,310 --> 00:59:26,930 yourself 1039 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